howard, as a deputy mayor of new york city, the question of keeping the city safe is something you deal with on a daily basis. this is a really interesting and brave new arena that we have sort of yet to really get our minds and arms around in terms of national security. >> well, all of our essential infrastructure in the city, from water, to street lights, to sewage, to elevators, everything you can think of runs on computers somewhere. somewhere there is a computer running it, and if there was a government or some other non-governmental entity that had the ability to hack into some of those systems to, you know, flood our streets, to shut off the electric grid, there would be chaos, and so this is an enormously serious problem. it's not just about hacking a website and spoofing the website. this is about how we go about our daily lives, and i hope, i don't know, i hope that the federal government is taking this as seriously as they need to, because, and you hear this analogy a lot, compared to pearl harbor, you could be looking at the next pearl harbor. one day you could wake up and t